Comments on: Is Agile a mystery? http://www.stevenlist.com/blog/2009/09/02/agilemystery/ Thoughts on Agile software development, facilitation, communication, and relationships in the personal and professional worlds, from Steven "Doc" List Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:20:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Steven List: Presentation tips | Software Secret Weapons http://www.stevenlist.com/blog/2009/09/02/agilemystery/comment-page-1/#comment-3505 Steven List: Presentation tips | Software Secret Weapons Tue, 09 Nov 2010 16:38:48 +0000 http://www.stevenlist.com/blog/2009/09/02/agilemystery/#comment-3505 [...] Is Agile a mystery? (6) [...] [...] Is Agile a mystery? (6) [...]

]]> By: Outrospective.org » Blog Archive » Facilitation Patterns and Antipatterns http://www.stevenlist.com/blog/2009/09/02/agilemystery/comment-page-1/#comment-993 Outrospective.org » Blog Archive » Facilitation Patterns and Antipatterns Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:38:00 +0000 http://www.stevenlist.com/blog/2009/09/02/agilemystery/#comment-993 [...] I read with great interest, the blog by steven list about Facilitation patterns (its also about a whole lot of other things Agile related) [...] [...] I read with great interest, the blog by steven list about Facilitation patterns (its also about a whole lot of other things Agile related) [...]

]]> By: Doc http://www.stevenlist.com/blog/2009/09/02/agilemystery/comment-page-1/#comment-977 Doc Sat, 05 Sep 2009 02:22:23 +0000 http://www.stevenlist.com/blog/2009/09/02/agilemystery/#comment-977 It'll be interesting to see what comes out of the new PMI-Agile initiative, won't it? It’ll be interesting to see what comes out of the new PMI-Agile initiative, won’t it?

]]> By: PM Hut http://www.stevenlist.com/blog/2009/09/02/agilemystery/comment-page-1/#comment-976 PM Hut Sat, 05 Sep 2009 02:05:25 +0000 http://www.stevenlist.com/blog/2009/09/02/agilemystery/#comment-976 I guess for a lot of PMs out there, it is a mystery. Most of the new Project Managers are getting the PMP, that has no mention whatsoever of cyclical Project Management. Agilists are mainly people who got there by experience. I guess for a lot of PMs out there, it is a mystery. Most of the new Project Managers are getting the PMP, that has no mention whatsoever of cyclical Project Management. Agilists are mainly people who got there by experience.

]]> By: Mark Needham http://www.stevenlist.com/blog/2009/09/02/agilemystery/comment-page-1/#comment-974 Mark Needham Fri, 04 Sep 2009 18:01:36 +0000 http://www.stevenlist.com/blog/2009/09/02/agilemystery/#comment-974 Interesting post although I think this is often the way that people learn new stuff. What you've described is quite close to the way that I have learnt about Agile so far. I did read the manifesto and Kent Beck's book to start with but I don't think I really understood what they were talking about until I'd worked on some projects using some of the practices and then a while later learning why we use the practices in the first place. I think it all makes a lot more sense once you understand the reasons that it came about in the first place like you point out but it's useful to try out some concrete practices first before that type of thing will make sense to you. Interesting post although I think this is often the way that people learn new stuff.

What you’ve described is quite close to the way that I have learnt about Agile so far.

I did read the manifesto and Kent Beck’s book to start with but I don’t think I really understood what they were talking about until I’d worked on some projects using some of the practices and then a while later learning why we use the practices in the first place.

I think it all makes a lot more sense once you understand the reasons that it came about in the first place like you point out but it’s useful to try out some concrete practices first before that type of thing will make sense to you.

]]> By: Kevin Baribeau http://www.stevenlist.com/blog/2009/09/02/agilemystery/comment-page-1/#comment-963 Kevin Baribeau Wed, 02 Sep 2009 15:52:39 +0000 http://www.stevenlist.com/blog/2009/09/02/agilemystery/#comment-963 I think one of the problems of Agile is that it's too easy to think you understand everything that's going on. It really is more than just standups and TDD, but it seems like a lot of people stop there. There's a "movement" trying to address this. See http://arxta.com/ I think one of the problems of Agile is that it’s too easy to think you understand everything that’s going on. It really is more than just standups and TDD, but it seems like a lot of people stop there.

There’s a “movement” trying to address this. See http://arxta.com/

]]> By: Tom Opgenorth http://www.stevenlist.com/blog/2009/09/02/agilemystery/comment-page-1/#comment-962 Tom Opgenorth Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:53:13 +0000 http://www.stevenlist.com/blog/2009/09/02/agilemystery/#comment-962 Interesting observations. I've always wondered what it takes to be considered "Agile", and I don't think I have a satisfactory answer. These days it seems that people who stand up during a meeting think that they are "Agile". Interesting observations. I’ve always wondered what it takes to be considered “Agile”, and I don’t think I have a satisfactory answer. These days it seems that people who stand up during a meeting think that they are “Agile”.

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